As with everything we state on this blog, all the statements can be backed up with further evidence in the way of emails, audio or visual recordings. In most cases this involves a combination of the aforementioned.
According to the evidence given at the inquest by the Landlord of the Fox, the police seized all the CCTV footage,except the ones marked loss. This leaves us one obvious question,why did The Metropolitan Police refuse us permission to see the other cameras, while stating they never had them?
The coroner insisted all the way through, even during the inquest, that we could see all the CCTV footage which related to incidences that were being referred to and yet, no matter how many times we said The Metropolitan Police were not allowing us to view them, these requests were left unfulfilled.
Andrew Walker failed Ambrose and us as family members, by not ensuring that The Metropolitan Police followed his orders through. He failed to let us view the evidence that The Metropolitan Police were using at the inquest and which were apparently, amongst Ambroses’ last known movements. He allowed The Metropolitan Police to produce ‘facts’ without showing us any evidence to back these ‘facts’ up. A very small selection of these are unseen footage of:
1)an earlier incident in The Fox which involved Ambrose and JB;
2)what happened to Ambrose once he disappeared behind the bar;
3)what happened to Ambrose in the corridor;
4)Ambrose coming back down Greens Lane, after we saw him running up towards the Police;
5)the fights Ambrose is said to have been involved in inside The Fox;
6)the number of assaults that were supposed to have taken place that night;
7)Ambrose fighting with VG;
8)Ambrose on the fire escape;
9)Ambrose getting into his car in the environment described by witnesses and not an empty street;
10)Ambrose’s car parked in the place described by witnesses;
11)Ambrose driving into the car park as described by a witness and Victor O’lisa;
12)Ambrose leaning into his car through an open window after loosing his car keys, as described by 2 witnesses;
Most of the CCTV footage we have seen which shows Ambrose leaving and driving off in the BMW, show a very quiet street. There are no people about, apart from the odd passerby. However according to witnesses the place was swarming with police, inside and out…
The Fox Public House was a place Ambrose visited frequently as he was seeing one of the barmaids there. We believe the footage which shows Ambrose getting into the BMW was done on one of his many previous visits, as the jacket, trainers and jeans were Ambrose’s staple outfit, the only thing that really changed was his tee-shirt.
So to this day, we have still not seen what really happened to Ambrose inside the Fox and after he ran up Greens Lane.
We have NEVER seen Ambrose come back down from where he ran towards the police (wearing just his jeans and trainers). Andrew Walker has believed everything the Metropolitan Police have said, without allowing us to see any of this evidence to back up the claims of the Metropolitan Police. Andrew Walker was made fully aware of all our concerns from May 2015 via numerous emails and Pre Inquest Hearings.
All Andrew Walker allowed to be shown during the inquest were the bits that confirmed what the Metropolitan Police said, and disproved what we were saying. Only twice did he allows us to see any of the points of the CCTV we wanted to see. We were unable to see/confirm the points we wanted confirming about what the Metropolitan Police were saying or, whether it was to confirm what we were saying.
I thought a coroner/judge in a legal setting such as a court, were supposed to ensure that LIP’s were on, as near as possible, a level playing field to the ‘professionals’ in these situations. This obviously doesn’t apply inside Andrew Walkers court and, as for ‘cherry picking’ from the evidence, this is discussed here…
Below is the timeline of events that was given to us by Sharon Freeman Woods at the viewing of the Compilation disc on the 16th April 2015, 6 days before Ambroses’ body was apparently discovered …
Footage from Dadyals –
CAMERAS VIEWED 1, 5, 10
02:00:15 (real time 02:03:20 hrs) A man enters Dadyals.
02:01:08 (real time 02:04:13 hrs) A man is seen buying drinks.
02:02:20 (real time 02:05:25 hrs) Bald man is seen at the counter – He is wearing a white t-shirt and black trousers.
02:02:53 (real time 02:05:58 hrs) – A big bloke is buying something at counter and then leaves the shop.
02:05 – 02:07 (real time 02:08 – 02:10 hrs) Another person enters and leaves the shop. He is wearing a high viz jacket.
02:11:24 (real time 02:14:29 hrs) someone enters the shop with a dog – wearing a black hat and coat with fur around the hood.
02:16- 02:18 (real time 02:019 – 02:21 hrs) A man wearing a light coloured jacket enters and leaves the shop.
02:19 – 02:21 (real time 02:22 – 02:24 hrs) A man enters and leaves the shop. He is wearing dark clothing, with white writing on the top. He is wearing dark trainers with white sole.
02:28 (real time 02:31:18 hrs) – 2 men enter the shop. One is big and is wearing a grey tracksuit. The other man is thinner and has a white plaster on his nose. They appear to be buying a couple of bottles of beer.
02:28 – 02:29 (real time 02:31 – 02:32 hrs) – A man enters and leaves the shop after purchasing something.
02:31:58 – 02:32:58 (real time 02:35:03 – 02:36:03 hrs) Someone wearing a dark coloured top enters and leaves Dadyals.
02:33 :20 (real time 02:36:25 hrs) Barry re-enters the shop. IN GREY
02:35 (real time 02:38 hrs) – Someone else enters the shop.
02:34 (real time 02:37 hrs) – Someone enters Dadyals wearing a hi-vis jacket and carrying a JD sports bag.
02:38:40 (real time 02:41:45 hrs) – Man in dark top leaves after purchasing a number of items.
02:39 – 02:41:24 (real time 02:41 – 02:44:29 hrs) Someone enters and leaves Dadyals. He is wearing a number 72 rugby top/hoodie and black and white trainers.
02:48 (real time 02:51 hrs) Thaine enters Dadyals alone wearing a rucksack. The ruck sack is dark coloured with a stripe on either side (possibly hi-vis), on the back.
02:48:47 (real time 02:51:52 hrs) – Man enters Dadyals, dressed in dark clothing and holding an Adidas holdall.
02:54::06 – 02:54: 20 (real time 02:57:11 – 02:57:25 hrs) – Thaine re-enters the shop wearing a royal blue top with a white t-shirt underneath, a black jacket, trousers with either rips/design on the upper thigh of each leg and a pair of trainers with white soles.
02:54:55 (real time 02:58:00 hrs) – Ambrose enters Dadyals.
02:56:00 (real time 02:59:05 hrs) Ambrose leaves Dadyals.
02:56 (real time 02:59 hrs) – Ambrose is seen wiith a bunch of keys as he chats with Michael and Barry.
02:56:30 (real time 02:59:35 hrs) – Ambrose is seen wearing a white t-shirt.
02:58:04 (real time 03:01:09 hrs) – Ambrose leaves Dadyals with Thaine, Barry and Michael – they all seem to be in good spirits – chatting and laughing.
02:58 (real time 03:01 hrs) Barry re-enters the shop to buy something.
02: 59:04 (real time 03:02:09 hrs) – Ambrose leaves the screen. He turns right and then disappears from view.
The images below were provided to us by Daniel Rosello, one of the detectives who sat in and controlled the CCTV viewing. According to Daniel Rosello the cameras marked green were the only ones obtained by the Metropolitan Police, making the rest of the cameras unavailable for viewing.
Below are some areas which we photographed on a visit to the Fox public house, Palmers Green. As you can see by the photographs we took, there are a number of cameras which are in the beer garden, however we didn’t get to see footage from any of them.
The Fox Public House – CCTV Footage of the movements in the car park:
System 1 – Camera 09 – 22:19 (real time 22:17:22 hrs) A red car pulls into the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 22:58 (real time 22:56:22 hrs) JD walks across the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:01 (real time 22:59:22 hrs) – PB walks across car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:02 (real time 23:00:22 hrs) JD walks back past camera 9 the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:03 (real time 23:01:22 hrs) PB walks back past camera 9 the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:13:19 (real time 23:11:41 hrs) – Car looks as though it could have been involved in an accident.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:14 (real time 23:12:22 hrs) A man in a hi-viz/light coloured jacket/gillet walks through the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:23:34 – 23:28:08 (real time 23:21:56 – 23:26:30 hrs) A car is seen to park outside the car park for approx 5 minutes before driving off again.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:25:52 (real time 01:24:14 hrs) – A car enters the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:07 – 23:09 (real time 23:05:22 – 23:07:22 hrs) A car is seen to stop outside the car park, before driving off a couple of minutes later.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 23:09 (real time 23:07:22 hrs) A group of people are seen to walk through the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:02:04 (real time 01:00:26 hrs) – Alpesh’s car parks at the bottom of the alleyway, where the function room is.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:03:01 (real time 01:01:23 hrs) – Someone walks past the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:11:09 (real time 01:09:31 hrs) – A car comes up Green Lane and enters the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:13:13 (real time 01:11:35 hrs) – 2 people are seen walking across the car park, down Greens Lane towards the High Road.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:25:44 (real time 01:24:06 hrs) – A man drives into the car park. 1:26:18 – Gets out of his car. At 1:26:31 (real time 01:24:53 hrs) the man leaves the car park and disappears down Greens Lane.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:29:23 (real time 01:27:45 hrs) – 2 men walks up Green Lane. 1 walks into car park, while the other one continues to walk straight up Greens Lane.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:30:02 (real time 01:28:24 hrs) – A white car leaves the car park and turns right, heading towards high road.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:30:30 (real time 01:28:52 hrs) A car comes up Greens Lane, enters the car park. It turns around and then goes back into the main road, heading towards the High Road.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:31:31 (real time 01:29:53 hrs) – A man with white body warmer walks across car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:31:18 (real time 01:29:50 hrs) – Another male with a light coloured t-shirt runs into car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:31 (real time 01:29:22 hrs) – A group of men are seen in the car park. It’s not clear enough to see what’s going on.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 1:33:06 (real time 01:31:28 hrs) A car is going back and forward in the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 01:34: (real time 01:32:22 hrs) – A large group of people are seen fighting in the car park .
System 1 – Camera 09 – 01:35:11 (real time 01:33:33 hrs) – A man with a red jumper on is seen in the car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 01:36:45 (real time 01:35:07 hrs) A man wearing a white body warmer (white dark top underneath) is seen in car park.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 01:39:04 (real time 01:37:26 hrs) A man appears to be agitated in the car park. He goes to a car and opens the door. He appears to be wiping something from/off his face. He continues to wandering around his car.
System 1 – Camera 09 – 01:43:36 (real time 01:41:58 hrs) Lights go on a car from the road side according to garden camera and drives off at 01:44:05 (real time 01:42: 27 hrs) .
Could I please, encourage you, to share my Youtube videos and blog via FB, Twitter and any other social media network you have an account with.
We have been struggling to get justice for 3 years and to bring this case to the attention of the wider media and general public, but, we have been blocked at every avenue, by the BBC and the Metropolitan Police to name just a couple of organisations. Re-tweeting and sharing this via social media, in the hope that it goes viral, is our last hope.
It only takes a few seconds to do, but it would mean the World to us and, it could make all the difference regarding Ambroses’ case receiving the exposure it deserves. Please don’t do nothing, God forbid, you could find yourself in the same situation, which is something I wouldn’t wish on my worse enemy.
My Youtube channel is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEJbObftneWPDbG2bg2VLcA/videos?view_as=subscriber
Thank you.
Alexandria xxx
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